Gerri Chambers

Podcast episode 006 – Jasmine Powers – Press and Public Relations in the Digital Age

Ep006 – Jasmine Power – Press and Public Relations in the Digital Age

Jasmine Powers on 2016-07-05 at 14.12

Gerri: Hey everyone! I hope everybody is doing well out there today. I know it is really sunny here in the Houston area, and I am stoked about it, because it’s summer. And what we do in Houston is we go outside, and we go swimming. So I’m excited.

I’ve got a really special guest with me today, someone whom I haven’t known for that long. But in the short time that we have been working together, we have accomplished much. I’m going to introduce here right now. This is Jasmine Powers that I have on with me.

Jasmine started her business way back in 2007 as a marketing and administrative professional. Jasmine has been through a lot as she’s journeyed through the last nine years. She started three separate companies and has now landed as the go-to consultant for digital marketing strategy company J Powers Marketing & Publicity. She has her own podcast called the Mastermind podcast, and her website is filled with tons of real experiences and wisdom that the entrepreneur needs to hear.

Jasmine is very active in supporting non-profit organizations providing media and community outreach for Blogging While Brown, Black Girls Code and Blogilicious. I want to welcome you now, Jasmine. How are you doing? Thanks for being with me today.

Jasmine: Thank you for having me on, Gerri.

Gerri: Absolutely. My pleasure. I haven’t known you for that long. We were introduced through a mutual business associate/friend and we hit the ground running, and have accomplished so much. I really appreciate it.

How is your day going?

Jasmine: It’s awesome out here. You were talking about Houston weather. California has been insanely hot, but beautiful, beautiful out here. I think I might have to go take a dive in a pool myself.

Gerri: That’s what I’m talking about. Absolutely. I’m glad to hear it.

We’re going to start off. Jasmine is my PR guru. We’re going to get into some of those PR questions. First of all, tell me why you got into PR. I’m going to throw a little curve ball at you. Actually I didn’t say I was going to ask you this. But how did you get into this? Tell me about your journey to PR.

Jasmine: My journey to PR started in about 2004 where I landed in a position at a major PR company, like one of the biggest PR companies that are based in Los Angeles. And we worked on a McDonald’s account. It wasn’t like a small fish to fry – it was a big fish to fry with so many Southern Californian McDonald’s restaurants.

In a team of eight publicists, I was responsible for supporting their work and their PR pitching, their press release composition, coordinating the in-store events. And my primary responsibility was coordinating in marketing the in-store events to get people to come to the restaurants.

Being a part of that team and helping them with things like Gospelfest and the Tournament of Roses which they participated in in the year that I was there really exposed me to the full circle things of PR.

People think PR is just press releases, but it goes into anything that will bring positive public opinion about a brand. I’m trying to think of the technical word, and of course I can’t think of it right now. Everything from corporate responsibility to events, to the media pieces, to whatever will shape the public’s opinion about the company, their reputation.

In doing that, I realized I like this. Of course, I love marketing. Of course, I like content. But public relations was something that I was very fascinated with how to be of service to the media, how to expand a brand’s reach through earned and paid media. That was my introduction to it. I fell in love with it.

But my real bolster into me doing it myself was – as an admin I was a huge support and could do everyone’s job. I could. But when they asked me about my five-year plan, I said I wanted to be an account executive. They told me I couldn’t. I was like, “What? You’re going to tell me I can’t? My name is Jasmine Powers. I’m of the Powers clan.” You can’t take no for an answer.

It was my goal at that point to prove that I could do that job, whether or not I was with their company or outside their company. So I learned everything that I possibly could about public relations and started producing media events down the line and doing my own media relations, and all those things generating news for myself and my clients. And that’s where I am today.

Gerri: That is awesome. You said a couple of things that stuck in my head. Number one – positive public opinion. That’s really the underlying purpose of PR – to make sure that people, potential clients and customers obviously, as well as just the general public – I mean everybody can start a rumor, anybody can say something ugly, so there’s a lot of reputation management going on as well in the background. But you want to maintain that positive public opinion. That’s a major undertaking.

Having said that, I’ve got a question too before I get to the other questions. You started with brick and mortar. The McDonald’s events and all those kinds of things – you were literally on the ground there. I know that you are dealing with some of the digital as well now, some of the online space. How does that change – or is there really a big change or difference between those two spaces?

Jasmine: I think with traditional PR or doing things face-to-face, there’s that aspect of how we used to do things. We used to send press releases by a physical letter. In 2004 we use the same physical letters to a media outlets with the press release inside. Or pick up the phone and pitch them by phone.

Now with online, the only thing that has changed is the means by which to get the news to the media. Of course, the events are typically going to always be in real life and in real time, so there is not very much changed.

The changes are primarily in the means of getting the news in front of the right media at the right time. And it’s so fast paced. You don’t have time to send the letter. If news happens right now, you need to be pitching the media right now.

Gerri: It is. It’s fast paced. Awesome. Here are some specific questions that I’m hoping will help people. Any business can put out a press release. I remember when I started a company back in 2013. We sent a press release out. It was my first experience with it. I had no idea what it was for. I thought it was for the big news channels and people like that. But really anyone can send out a press release. Is it correct? And what qualifies as a press release? I’m going to get into your specifics here.

Jasmine: Anybody can send out a press release. Whether or not their press release is good or newsworthy is something totally different. But now you have things like PRWeb or even something like PitchEngine, which allows you to upload a press release digitally and blast it out using social media and the viral nature of that to get the news out.

Yeah, anybody can create a press release. A press release is just a document that should tell us the whole what when and where of whatever your news is. If you’re announcing a company acquisition, like Microsoft acquisition of LinkedIn, you want to see who are the key players, why it matters to whatever audience that this news publication is speaking to and how people can take advantage of this new thing.

If it’s an event, where they can register, where they can buy this offer. You need to answer some key elements. But usually there’s just who, what, when, where and why. And the ‘why’ is important because otherwise you’re sending news that nobody cares about. So be really focused on how this is going to be helpful to this audience.

It should be a simple document. It should not look like an ad. It should not be direct address. It should be written like a third party person, because usually it is going to be journalists who pick it up and they are in fact the third party outlet. So the way you write it should be exactly as if it was a journalist who was writing this press release.

Gerri: That’s important, the tone is important.

You said something else too that I wanted to ask for my audience. Since we’re dealing mainly with solopreneurs and people who may just be starting their business, and maybe they are new, but they’ve been in business for a little bit.

They want to get that extra promotion for their business, that extra news out for their company. They have something going on, maybe they are doing a merger or something with a company, maybe not as newsworthy as the LinkedIn-Microsoft – and I’m sorry, I know I’m digressing totally, but it’s good stuff – what is one example or maybe two examples of a reason a solopreneur or someone like that would want to send out a press release? And what would be the benefit of that?

Jasmine: I think newsworthy is relative. The press release as long as it is relevant to whatever news outlet they are sending it to it can be relevant. Because it is news for them. They need to hear this information.

Some of the examples people use to do press releases on – it might be new hires, winning a specific contest, like Best Small Business of Houston, typical company announcement. Or if you’ve got a new equipment that will be able to help you to expand your services. Or maybe you didn’t have a printing machine before, but now you have a printing machine that will now help you to be able to create flyers and T-shirts for the city who is your customer – something like that that you maybe want to use a press release.

But the most important thing is wherever you’re sending this press release to cares. They cover this side of information before they’ve covered other types of stories similar to this. Because if you say that you’ve got a new printing machine some million times, they probably don’t care.

A local blogger, or a local paper or something like a community paper – that still counts as media. They probably do care, because this means that now you can provide an expand in service to people that maybe you weren’t able to before.

Any type of announcement – of course events. And that’s the thing – many people feel that nothing they have is newsworthy. The absolute best way to create something PR or press release worthy is to develop an event. It’s a reason to write a press release.

Gerri: It’s awesome. I think people should do it, absolutely. Now, some specifics too that would help my audience          now that they know why they would use it, and why it’s important, and how simple it is, and any media can be used, social media, and your e-mail – why use HARO or a Radio Guest List?

Jasmine: HARO stands for “Help a Reporter out”. When you hear anybody mention HARO, they are talking about Radio Guest List is very similar to HARO for the reason I’m going to explain in a minute.

You use HARO because HARO is journalists, editors, TV producers saying, “We have a story coming up and we need and expert source. I need somebody who does e-mail marketing in the Houston area to come in on MailChimp’s new price increase”.

Radio Guest List is a similar service but those people are looking for guests for their podcasts, online radio shows. It’s about the same in terms of these media creators seeking expert sources to speak to. Because guess what – they are not experts at that.

If I’m a New York Times writer, I do not necessarily know about e-mail marketing. I know about journalism, I can write about the state of publishing industry all day, every day. But I don’t know about e-mail marketing, so I need to contact people. And I’m not going to go on yellow pages and try to find somebody. I’m going to go on HARO, I’m going to go on Radio Guest List and put out an alert to see who can respond to this.

You use HARO as an expert to connect you with those opportunities instead of you using a press release distribution service that makes you just blasting to people blindly. HARO is you responding to the exact editor that is looking for your specific expertise. It’s the same as applying to a job that is in your expertize. You are responding to things that are really like hand-fit to you, these opportunities to be presented in the media.

Gerri: That’s a great platform, really hyper filtered. You can pick out what you want, cut through all the other stuff. That’s awesome.

What’s the difference between media relations and using a press release distribution service?

Jasmine: Press release distribution services are something like Cision or PRWeb, PR Newswire who was just acquired by Cision, which is pretty cool and I’m excited to see what happens with that. Those things have media subscribers. Journalists subscribe to get any press releases that are uploaded to the service.

You shoot it out, a bunch of people get it. They may or may not read it. They may or may not care. Even if it’s by industry. It’s just a mailing list basically. You just shoot it out and pray somebody picks it up.

Gerri: So would you rather be targeted or would you rather just stick it out there and never land.

Jasmine: Media relations is – say for example you want to target Kathy Hill  – this is a journalist that I know. I’m going to target Kathy Hill. I read Kathy Hill’s article, I’m going to reach out to her, because I thought it was a great article. I think I have similar news that she might want to write about.

I e-mail Kathy, and I say, “Hey, Kathy, great article about finding your passion. I know that 30% of adults are now unemployed because they were looking to find their passion. There’s a new software that helps people to find jobs more easily, especially for millennials. The expert and founder of this would be a great person to speak to, to find out how finding your passion and finding a dream job can go hand in hand.”

If I’m reaching out to Kathy Hill and I pitch a story in that way, number one – I’m talking to her individually. If I have a relationship with her, it might be even easier for me to place a story with her, because I know her, I know the stories she writes about. She knows me, she knows that I represent these people, or that I am an expert that she can depend on to provide information on whatever topic she’s covering. We have this relationship.

That’s what media relation is. It is more you interfacing one-on-one with a journalist or some type of editor or producer, and delivering value to them based on an awareness of what they write about and the relevance of whatever you have to deliver to them.

Press releases is just shooting out to everybody, but if you know somebody specifically, or know whom to contact at a particular news outlet to deliver the right story to the right person who covers that, or right information – that is media relations.

Gerri: That is awesome. I had completely had no idea what that meant. You’ve totally cleared it up for me. Let me just say this too – when you do that, you’ve just become that journalist’s best friend, because that information came to them, you came to them. That’s awesome.

Jasmine: It’s really important that you follow those journalists. You have so many resources to find out journalists. Number one – you can click the journalists’ names on whatever website that they write for, and you will see a list of articles that they’ve written. You understand the tone of their writing. You understand the industry that they cover or the types of stories they share. You have really no reason to go to them blindly, because all the information you need is there.

You have Twitter. You can retweet their stories. You can tweet them directly and get to know them, comment on their things, offer suggestions, send them infographics that they could possibly include in their story to enhance it. You can be a go-to resource for them. When you are that person, you are much more valuable than somebody who just shot a press release to them blindly using Cision.

Gerri: Right, I can see that. That is awesome. Don’t you want people to write about you? That’s basically free press for you too. If you’re making friends with someone, and they want to write about you or someone you know who’s going to promote you. Isn’t that the whole point of that? To really get yourself some press? Does that not help?

Jasmine: Yeah, it definitely helps. Media relations, when done right, and if you are doing it yourself, is free. The cost is time and definitely research. If you nurture those relationships, the monetary cost is free.

But say for example, you don’t have those relationships, you don’t know how to really relate to people properly. You don’t know how to that at all, or even write and compose a newsworthy press release, that’s when you hire somebody.

You don’t have to be the expert. You can in fact hire an expert to do it for you, because they have the relationships. And if they don’t have the relationships, they know how to get it in a way that’s not spammy. And that’s going to ultimately make you look good as a client.

That’s when you hire out. That does cost you money, but it is a very valuable investment, especially if you can get some top placement in some major media publications. It will enhance everybody’s public personal opinion of you.

Gerri: Right, valuable. That’s awesome. And having said that, now that you’re talking about now almost the next step as part of your marketing plan – how important is that PR program to your overall marketing strategy? And we’ll wrap up with that.

Jasmine: The thing is that a lot of times people don’t do any PR. And then they are, “I have something. Let me just shoot out a press release.” You can do that. People do it. I don’t know that that’s effective though.

Having a PR program, meaning something there is ongoing outreach strategy that involves media relations, as well as press release distribution does a lot more than just doing some random thing. Because again there’s that whole piece of media relations, and whether or not you have a relationship with somebody. If you’re doing ongoing thing, and putting out stories on different publications as news comes up for your story, you are able to be more on people’s writing.

For example, Uber. Uber probably gets a lot of earned media meaning: they do something in the media. They find out about it, and they report on it. But you hear about Uber just about every day on the news.

Maybe you can’t be Uber, but you at least want to be in the news every week, every month, every couple of months, so that people begin to be more familiar with you. And then you are constantly driving traffic. The online PR (that is) effective is you are having all these SEO backlinks, when people are linking to your website, driving leads.

You can’t just do that one time or sporadically. So it definitely needs to be part of your marketing strategy. If you’re sending out e-mail every week, if you’re posting to Twitter, you should add in a PR program, where you are sending out regular press releases, or pitching stories as they come up, so that you are constantly on people’s mind. Because the third party coverage it does so much more than you posting a blog on your website.

Gerri: Absolutely. Leverage as much as you can, especially that free press like you said. If you can leverage some of that free stuff, that’s awesome. Especially for those of you who want to bootstrap and keep your cost down. There are definitely ways to leverage the media to do that. So I highly recommend that.

Having said that, my next show actually is going to be talking about lead generation strategies and how to get people in your front door, and to do it on a dime, or zero dime. That’s even better.

Jasmine, I want to thank you so much for all this information. I hope you guys were scribbling down fast, because this is some really great stuff. Jasmine, if anybody wants to get a hold of you, what do you have going on right now? Would you like people to do?

To get in touch with Jasmine, just go to

Jasmine is also on Twitter at:

J Hunter VA Staffer

Podcast episode 005 – J Hunter – How To Use Virtual Assistants Effectively

Ep005 – J Hunter – How To Use Virtual Assistants Effectively

Gerri: Hey, I hope everybody is doing all right out there. Welcome to the show.

Today, I have a special guest and actually a friend of mine that I met about three years ago online. Straight away when I was entering this Internet-marketing field, I was reaching out to everyone who could give me information that I was looking for. I really didn’t know what I wanted to do and I looked into this type of business.

His name is J Hunter. Actually, he called me on the phone. I thought, “Oh my gosh! I’ve got this owner of this company to call me on the phone!” I thought that was the coolest thing ever. He doesn’t know it. But now you do, J. I thought that was so cool, and that’s why we’re still doing business today – it’s because he’s personable and likeable and go-getter just like I am, and you’re going to find why, too.

J Hunter has been a project manager and IT administrator for over 10 years. In his spare time, he built a multi-national virtual assistant company with over 40 team members in the Philippines, South America, India, Dominica and the good old United States of America. He consults for over 100 clients, and specializes in digital mediums and inbound marketing.

J made this transition to operate his business full-time on leap day this year, that’s February 29th. He is now fulfilling his true dreams and passions. He travels to the Philippines a few times a year. He has actually just returned back with his family after developing his team for the entire month of May.

Today with J, we’re going to talk about delegating some of the tasks within your business. He’s going to teach you how to use his company. How are you doing, J? Thanks for being on.

J: I am fantastic. Thank you for that. You’re welcome.

Yeah, I think if people took a little more time into their business and be more personable, then I think they’d get some better results. There’s competition in every field. If you can really show them that you are willing to do that extra effort, like you and I, I think that goes a long way.

Gerri: That is another podcast. I’m writing it down right now. That will be the next one we have. I am so about customer experience and being one-on-one, and helping in the whole bits. That’s awesome! We’re going to do that one, too.

Just to get started, let’s get into the middle of this. We’re really going to get some actionable things today and also fundamental reasons and benefits from why you should do what Jay Hunter’s company is doing for you, why you should utilize that. We’ll get started with – Jay, I want you to explain to the audience here why you got into this business. We’re talking about virtual assistants. Maybe you could give us a little idea of what that is and why you got into that business.

J: Sure. Obviously, the one thing that we do not have enough of on this Earth is time. Time is something that is consumed every day. We never have enough of it. We always wish that we had more time.

As a project manager and IT administrator – I call it the corporate job – it was really challenging to manage my business. You have so many e-mails and projects, and spreadsheets, and meetings. You are trying to juggle that. Having someone to actually help you navigate all that and still look professional and stay on top of everything – it is just absolutely critical to any business.

A virtual assistant is basically an assistant who helps you just like an assistant in real life, except it is virtual. With the global economy that we have now, there are definitely some benefits out in the virtual world. A lot of emerging economy is also having high-speed internet now. You can have not just limited to where you geographically are. Of course, that is beneficial from a cost standpoint.

You can get significant cost reduction utilizing the international market. You’re looking at a wage in the Philippines around $7-10 an hour, depending on the types of services you need. Whether it’s the web-development or someone to help you answer phone calls, or just do lead generation for you and finding contacts. There are so many different things that we need to do for our businesses, but it’s so time consuming that our time is better spent elsewhere.

Gerri: And you saw that when you were in a corporate realm. I’ve been there, too. In the corporate realm, you see, I’m completely inundated. I cannot even do my job as well as I could do it, so I need some help.

You saw that you could leverage a little bit of that expertise of someone else on a budget. And you did that. Over that period of time, you learned how to delegate to people and what should be delegated.

At the end of this, I’d actually like to know a few things that we could delegate as solopreneurs, as small business owners, whether you have a brick and mortar, or you are just getting started in the internet realm, and getting your website up, and your social media. Whatever stage, you can still delegate some tasks out.

Let’s get into what ‘delegate’ means. What is delegation, J?

J: Anything that you can come up with instructions for, and you can actually train someone to do, is definitely a great prime candidate to be delegated. For example, every single inbound e-mail that we get at our company is sourced by the virtual assistant team.

Cavika Hughes– she is technically on the project success team, but she is really my own virtual assistant – she gets all the inbound inquiries and tries to filter and see which ones are a good fit for us. It lets me get to the point where I know I have a very short list of things that I need to do on a daily basis. Instead of being overwhelmed when waking up and looking at all these different things that I need to do, I have a very clear and concise agenda for the day.

Things that are able to be delegated are of course things that can be repeatable. They have to make sure that this is a task that is repeatable. For example, I do a lot of consultation for interior designers and internet marketers, and obviously, you work with me with a lot of them, but it’s always good to have fresh leads, people that are potential clients.

One of the things that I used to do on a daily basis is go and actually find people on LinkedIn who are candidates to work with me and could actually be a potential client of mine. Every day I have my team members go on and follow a very specific process to find and validate, and verify potential clients that would be a great fit for us and get their contact information for me. That’s viable to always have fresh leads. That’s an example of delegation.

Gerri: That’s perfect! It’s something like you said that is repeatable, you can train someone else to do it. You can give them the search criteria, and someone can take off with that. And think of how much time…

Number one, hopefully you’re doing lead generation. That will be another conversation, another podcast. But definitely if you’re doing lead generation, you know it takes time to pick through all the people you want to work with or whom you want to come into your virtual doors. That can take tons of time off your plate.

Then what can you do with that? I think the whole purpose of that leveraging is to free yourself up so that you can now do another part of your business, whether it’s lead nurturing now, or maybe restructuring a part of your business, or taking the next step for growth. Whatever that is, getting your own infrastructure down so that you can prepare for that growth. That’s awesome!

We covered why someone would delegate. But can you get a little more into the why and how you delegate? How do you do this? You can get as detailed as you want to – however you want to answer that.

J: I think you have just hit the nail on the head earlier, because there’s a lot of things that we can do. We can do anything. We can do everything, but you shouldn’t because it’s really a huge waste of value of your time.

How much is your time really worth? I know what my time is better spent doing which is revenue generating activities. Those three words put together – revenue generating activities – these things are where the money is. This is having your one-on-one meetings with your clients. These are your consultations. These are the services that you provide. This are going to the meetings. These are the things that I do. This is the thing as internet marketer, or a consultant, or a coach, or whatever type of firm that you have. If you have a brick and mortar business there are things that create value.

Looking at a spreadsheet, copying and pasting names or numbers is not a revenue generating activity. It is definitely not the best value of your time. If you are your own secretary, then you are doing it wrong. You really need to make sure that you are focused on whatever brings in the most money for your business.

Let’s take this from a sales perspective. You are a sales person. And this is something that we do a lot in our company – we do virtual sales assistant, virtual sales agents. Basically, we go out and we find all of these contacts for people, for all these sales agents so that they can actually make these phone calls and try to drive these calls. Or they put them in autoresponder campaigns, they put them in different tools like and other great lead nurturing campaign tools.

It’s so time consuming to go out and find these things. It’s not revenue generating activities. Your revenue generating activity is following up on that lead, contacting that lead, calling that person, having a meeting with that person, having lunch with that person. That is what your time is better spent with.

Whatever your business is there are always things that are revenue generating activities, and that’s really the focal point. Every single business has revenue generating activities. That’s what you need to be focused on. And you need to have everything else that is not actively creating you revenue done somewhere else.

Gerri: That’s perfect. Let me hit on something, too. Just in general, this is my experience – your cold traffic, or your hardly warm leads can be handled automatically and by someone else. Your initial lead generation can be handled by someone else. Getting people in the door – that should be a constant stream of traffic coming into your doors, leading people into your sales funnel. That will be another day as well if you’re not familiar with what a sales funnel is.

On the other side of that, now you have the people who are your clients now – they’ve bought from you, they’ve spent money with you – now it’s time to either take them to the next level, or create partnerships, and take that relationship to a different level. Because that’s really when the money starts coming in. And this is something that people don’t know. They sell to people once and they let it go – “It’s okay, I made my money, I’m good”.

But that lead nurturing or that client relationship – the development of that takes a while. You can continue to sell to these people, especially if your business is growing with the people that are already in your funnel.

You don’t stop there. Those people that you’ve already developed that relationship with – you can continue to keep them in your funnel, or further down your funnel, or now at an advanced level to do some partnership, some JVs and move down the road with them. Don’t leave those people alone.

But automate all that other stuff so that you can really get into the more advanced and upper-level parts of your business and make that money. Like Jay was saying, that’s where you need to be.

J: You’re right. If you are really focusing on your company correctly, you will have an automated system before your virtual assistant is engaged. Because your virtual assistant’s time is very valuable.

If you’re doing a very successful business and you’re very busy, you need not have enough people. Automation is key. You want to have it filtered and segmented, so that when people contact you, they have an e-mail automatically sent to them, they are put into a list, that list is nurtured and all you need to do is go in and look at this person, and find out what they are doing.

You and I, of course, using conversion marketing one-on-one, so we know what people are doing on our websites, they are tracked. They have complete automation systems that’s integrated with our websites.

Automation is the only way to cut down manpower. You’re going to have to have a person with brain at some point. So what can you have done until that point? Because the more that you can have done automated until that piece, that’s it.

Let me get into a little bit more about what not to delegate. We talked about what to delegate. We didn’t talk about what not to delegate.

You do not delegate relationships. You are in charge of the relationships that you build. You need to foster those relationships. You should be actively engaging with your current clientele, you should be actively engaging with your potential clientele. That’s really what business is about in any industry.

With that said, one of the things that really does it for me – and I think everybody should have this whole aha moment in their lives – is that there comes a point in time when you realize that you are either working too much. You’re working 18 hours a day, like I was doing, you’re doing 12 hours a day whatever it is. You are not spending time with your family, and there’s also a cost benefit of that.

You can always say, “Look, I can work and do all of that stuff.” Yeah, that’s fantastic. But talk about your quality of life. Can you take a day off? A lot of people can’t take a day off! I was there for many-many years. You just can’t take a day off.

If you genuinely think about your time, you will have to make an investment of your time. And this is a disclaimer I put on everybody ever working with a virtual assistant, or even an in-house assistant. You must invest the time. And you must be ready and patient to invest the time into developing out your team, and your standards, and your processes.

You have to have these processes, because if you don’t actually develop a “Here is – step one – step two – step three”, maybe some screenshots. I like to use a program called TinyTake, which is a video capture service – it’s free, you can record five-minute video clips if you want somebody do something repeatable. And guess what – if that person leaves, or if they have a baby, or need a day of – because yeah, virtual assistants need days off, too – that at a sample in time someone can actually look at these instructions and say, “Oh, yeah, this makes sense”.

I get so many people that come to me, because they’ve gone and hired their own virtual assistant, they’ve spent all these months training this person and then they just disappeared, or they moved on, or they quit, or whatever the reason is. And then they have to start all over again, and it’s so frustrating. Please, do yourself a favor – invest in yourself by investing in your team.

Gerri: That’s perfect. And you mentioned a tool – what was the tool that you mentioned? The video clip tool?

J: TinyTake. by MangoApps. It’s lovely. You can take screenshots with it, you can make video recording. It takes little five-minute video clips. It’s free. The price is right.

Gerri: It’s perfect. I use ScreenFlow – I’m a Mac user, J is the Windows user. From Mac, I use ScreenFlow.

ScreenFlow is a perfect same thing, and I’ve sent many a video to J’s team for me. Of course, you have one person reviewing it. And then they have a backup. They are reviewing it, and you are not retraining every time. That’s huge.

I come from a training background. I’m a trainer. I’m really-really an advocate of training your people and freeing up your time and having it run on automatic. You’re going to nurture that, too, and you’re going to do additional training, and you’re going to check in and all that. But the value is just incredible.

J: I will definitely give you this, Gerri. I’ve been a project manager for quite some time. And I will tell you this. This is a fact that many people try to deny. A project will consist of a variety of resources, money. But the one thing you cannot change is time. You cannot change the time on a project.

The only way to change the time on a project is to put more money and more people into a project. That’s the only way. The time is the same. The time is always the same. You can’t fast forward it, you can’t rewind it.

You have to look at a cost benefit analysis of what you’re doing right now. If you’re not doing that, and you’re not evaluating yourself on a constant basis at least a couple of months – every couple of months you should be looking at your processes and say, “What am I doing here?”

Because I can tell you this – there will become a time when that indispensable person leaves. As someone who has 40 team members now, I’ll tell you, people come and they go. Luckily, I’ve had a very high retention rate. I don’t have a whole lot of people coming and going. But that’s because I am very patient.

Gerri: Yes, you are.

J: I can tell you this, too. You will invest the time into a project. It will be in the beginning of a project, where you can put your game plan together, and you can put your instructions together, and you can have everything laid out, and ask questions, and your team members can ask questions, and you get it all figured out and everything runs smooth.

Or you can not do that. You can say, “Hey, do this,” and you throw a bunch of instructions out on the wall that just make no sense, and you obviously put minimal effort into it. Guess what – the time will catch up. But it will be at the end of the project when things are doing very badly, and you have to save a lot of grace to try and fix things.

So question is – do you want to spend your time in the beginning of a project with very adequate instructions and tasks? Or do you want to have the time spent in the end of the project fixing all the things that went wrong, because you didn’t give adequate instructions?

Gerri: That is a perfect analogy, and I know it’s used so much in business. You pay now or you pay later. I think everyone is familiar with that. I can tell you from experience – you will not have happy clients if you’re scrambling at the end to have things put together. You’re saving yourself sanity and you’re retaining your clients. Pay it upfront. I promise you it’s going to be best. I’m sure you can get some people to testify to that.

J: Most of my client base, Gerri – they are people like you. They are business owners. They have their own client base. They rely on me and my team to come through and do things for their clients. If my team doesn’t come through, that’s their reputation that’s on the line.

A lot of people have that same exact issue. It’s your reputation on the line. You need to put in the homework. You need to do the very best for your clients. You should over-deliver every time. You should always deliver more what you put in.

Gerri: That’s right. And that’s that client nurturing, and that lead nurturing we were talking about. The follow up, and the “What’s next”, and the “How can I make this better for you,” “How can I meet you where you are now” “Now that we’ve taken you here, what’s next for you,” – those questions that you ask yourself.

This is a little off-topic, but I’m just saying you’re not going to get that in a lot of places. You’re not going to get this at a lot of podcasts that are teaching you about sales funnels and delegation. This is some kind of advanced business wisdom. Hopefully you will take in and really see it. Because this is a mindset and a concept that overarches everything you do. You won’t do any of this if you don’t really understand the big picture.

The big picture is – you can only grow as far as you are. You are one person. If you are a solopreneur, a small business, whatever you are, you can only go so far. You only have two hands. You only have 24 hours in a day, 8 of which you need to sleep if you are healthy. And you have other things to do. Do yourself a favor and leverage some of that time out.

I’m going to ask one more question, Jay. And then I’m going to let you direct them where you want them to go, and then we’re going to wrap up. My last question is – I know there are some people out there that are saying, “Man, this is my baby. I’ve been doing this for twelve years, or for two years. And I’ve built this thing from a ground up.” And there’s the cartoon that says, “I was born here and I’m going to die here!” People are going to hold on to those things even if it kills them.

In your experience, what can you say to those people that say, “I’m not handing that over! I’m not getting somebody to manage that spreadsheet for me, or check my inbox for me.” What do you say to those people? We may have already covered it, but if you could just say one more thing to those people that are saying, “I’m not feeling that good about this”, what do you say to those people?

J: You have a very defined amount of hours that you can work in a day. I don’t think anyone can work a full 24 hours. I guess you could, but then you probably need some sleep for recovery. I will tell you, I’m a control freak, too. I actually relate a lot to what you’ve just said. I hate delegating, believe it or not. I actually despise it, because I like to have full control over my projects. That’s something I had to deal with. Personally I think it’s mainly actually. I think it’s a personality or something with you.

What I can tell you is that I think when someone delegates correctly and they feel that first sigh of relief that they can actually have trust in someone else to actually help them do things that typically they would do. Boy, that first day off, that first couple of hours going to sleep at a good hour, having that extra time with your family – that stuff is really valuable.

I have been able to go back to the entry you gave to me, I have been able to really pursue my passions and spend more time with my family now, and travel. For the first time in my life, this year has felt like a huge burden relief. Because I know that I’m so confident with my team, and I’m so confident with the instructions and delegations that I’ve been able to produce that I know there’s going to be hiccups along the way, that’s just how it works, working with anybody, whether it be a virtual assistant or someone right there in your own office.

But what I can tell you is that my time is worth more. A lot of people really need to think about how much their time is worth. And maybe your time isn’t worth much? Maybe that’s an image problem you have right now for yourself.

I’m not a psychologist, but what I can tell you is that once you find out the things that you do love to do, and the things that you do not love to do. I would start with the things that you do not love to do, and start finding a way to process those and turn them into tasks, so that you can focus on what you love to do.

Gerri: That’s perfect! And you hit an emotional side of it, which is something that we had maybe missed throughout this entire interview. The emotional side of it I think is more powerful than anything.

Because if you want to grow your business, you need to have some help. If you are not spending the time you want with your family, or you just can’t just reach that sales milestone that you want, so that you can send your kid to college, all those things that you really want and why you started this business in the first place. If you are not hitting that, you need help. Don’t let yourself get completely worn out.

The statistic says that eight out of ten businesses will fail. I believe it’s within the first twelve months. I don’t want you to be one of those eight. Get yourself some help.

J has a great deal. What do you offer to clients who have never tried a virtual assistant before, they’ve never been on your website before? And talk about your special as well – we’re going to wrap up.

J: You know what, I don’t usually give a special, because I think what they can really learn here is how to delegate. If you guys really understand how to delegate, you can see that this is something that you want to try out, I’d love to hear from you.

If you go to, you will get a little sign up form to download top ten virtual tasks that our clients give our virtual assistants to do. This is something that our clients delegate every day to our virtual assistants. They basically compile the top 10 list of the thing that we do on a daily basis. And people love it.

I’ve got some virtual assistant tips that can really help you in processing what you do in your business. I’ll give you some example of things that you probably shouldn’t do yourself.

Gerri: And the special is that you get me peeking in there every once in a while. You get some awesome team member/project managers that J has in there. You’re going to be nurtured. You’re going to be taken care of, you’re going to be walked through the process. You’re not alone. We’re not sticking you out there, taking your spreadsheet and mangling it all up for you.

It’s going to happen. It’s going to be really beautiful. And like J said, when you take that final sigh of relief, “Oh my gosh, this is off my hands right now. I don’t have to babysit it, I don’t have to do it. I don’t have to spend three hours a week on it.” You’re going to love it.

That’s – go there and pick up that tip sheet. It is awesome. I read it. I’m all over it. You go do that.

I appreciate you listening today. We hit on something today that I want to get into. I was very serious when I said I was going to write it down. Customer experience – I’m going to talk a little bit about that in the next episode. So you guys stay tuned.

As always, to your success!

J, thanks so much for coming on with me. Man, this is good stuff. I’ll have you on again. Will you come back?

J: You’ve been a client of mine for three years. You’ve made many projects for me and likewise. This is a fruitful relationship that I’d love to foster.

Gerri: Awesome! Thank you. Bye-bye.

Lynnis Woods-Mullins

Podcast Episode 003 – Lynnis Woods-Mullins – How To Avoid Entrepreneur Burn-Out

Ep003 – Lynnis Woods-Mullins

Gerri:    Hey everyone! I hope everyone is doing well out there. I always have to talk about the weather here in Houston because it is so wishy-washy around here. But it is awesome today so I am happy. And that’s a good thing.

We’re going to dive right into it – you know how we do. I have a really special guest here today. This is a woman that I have known virtually for nearly three years. Although we have never seen each other face-to-face live – we were just talking about how funny that was – we are sisters in spirit. She is my prayer warrior, my prayer partner and we’ve really gone through some crazy seasons together. It’s really an honor for me to interview her today and to have her on my show. I was on her show well back, but now it’s my turn. We’re going to share some great information with you today.

Let me tell you a little bit about Lynnis Woods-Mullins. She is a mind, body and spirit holistic living expert for women over 40. Lynnis is also a talk show host, speaker and founder of Wellness Women 40 and Beyond and PraiseWorks Health and Wellness. At the age of 51, Lynnis decided that after 25 years in the field of Human Resources – she was an HR – as a professional and manager, it was time to make a change. Lynnis made a decision to pursue her true calling which is holistic education.

Lynnis’s main mission is to educate women over 40 on the importance of achieving total wellness for the mind, body and spirit through living a holistic lifestyle. That’s the whole body.

Lynnis, welcome. Thank you so much for being on my show today!

Lynnis: Thank you, Gerri, for inviting me. It’s always wonderful to get a chance to talk with you and to share information and good advice and just good fellowship. It is great to be here today.

Gerri:    Thank you. I let Lynnis know that a little bit of my audience may be new entrepreneurs. They may not be brand-new but maybe getting their internet business set up and going. They may have been on it for two-three-four years. We don’t talk so much on the advanced levels sometimes – entry-levels.

One of the things I wanted to talk about today and ask Lynnis if she would talk to us about this. And this goes for men and women, mind you. I wanted to talk about what entrepreneurs can do to avoid burnout and all those other things that cause stress and middle anguish, so that ultimately your business is striving and so that you are not physically getting so beat down that you’re not doing the best you can for your business. That’s the direction we’re going in today.

Lynnis, I don’t have a specific question, but you know what we’re going to talk about. So if you’d like to talk freely about what entrepreneurs can do to save their businesses by focusing on their mind, body and spirit?

Lynnis: Yes, I’d love to do that. I certainly can relate to that, because I’m an entrepreneur myself. When I first got started being entrepreneur, I quickly realized that one of the things that I needed to do in order to stay motivated and in order to stay focused and have clarity of thought was to make sure that I put myself on the front burner and not on the back burner.

Historically, what happens to a lot of us, especially as we’re starting a business as entrepreneurs we get behind that computer and sometimes it might even feel like we’ve been somewhere, but the reality is we’ve been sitting behind that computer for hours. You might get up to go to bathroom, maybe eat or have a drink of water, but we haven’t really removed ourselves from that environment.

One thing I would really want to encourage everyone to do is to make sure you keep putting yourself on the front burner when it comes to your health, and get away, push back from the computer and get away, go outside.

You know that sounds crazy. You say “Why, I go outside all the time!” But I mean, make it a priority. Get outside. Get that sunshine if you live in a sunny place. It’s really important because of the vitamins and the other nutrients that come from the sun, that free-flowing oxygen in your blood system, because your blood needs to be rejuvenated and the oxygen is energizing and rejuvenating. It wakes up your brain, which is so important.

I just recently wrote about this, because I have a new course coming out “Wellness for entrepreneurs” and I talk about a lot of these things in terms of what you need to do to keep your brain awake. One of the things I talked about is when you take a walk in nature – because I don’t want you to just get outside, I want you to take a walk. I know that it seems like “Oh my gosh, I don’t have time. I have to do this, I have to do that.” But if you don’t start doing these kinds of things right now as you’re starting your business or if you’re in a really busy time, you won’t start doing this.

Eventually, your neglect of yourself is going to start showing out in terms of your work product. You’re not going to be as clear, you’re not going to be as focused, you’re not going to be as creative. You’re going to be more stressed. And that’s going to enter in a whole other palette of things that you don’t even want to go there with.

All you need to do is to just get on the front burner, get outside and start doing these brisk walks. One of things about being out in nature that is really great, and I’ve just read about it the other day – there is a chemical that is produced by plants that helps to keep them from rotting and it also helps to keep them from succumbing to all the insects or things that bite them. That particular chemical is also good for humans. It’s good for our immune system.

One of the reasons why you want to have plants in your office and definitely plants in your home, and also getting out in nature is because of this chemical. The reason why the immune system is so important – of course, you don’t want to get sick – but the other thing is that being entrepreneur can sometimes be stressful. Let’s face it. Regenerating our own prospects. That can be stressful especially is you’re first getting started.

Stress inevitably beets down the immune system. If you want to find a way to fortify your body and fortify yourself in terms of being clear thinking, get outside, go for that walk, get the sunshine, expose yourself to the good chemicals of the trees and the plants around you and boost your immune system. I would say that’s probably one of the number one things.

Number two, I think it’s really important when it comes to being an entrepreneur staying well is make sure you’re staying hydrated. I don’t mean by soda and coffee. We’ll get to coffee in a minute, and the soda, too. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about water. Good filtered water, spring water, bottle water. The rule of thumb in terms of how much water do you drink is to drink half your body weight. If you’re 150 pounds, that means you would drink 75 ounces of water. People would say, “Oh my God! That’s too much water! I can’t stand the taste of water. I could never do that.”

But here is what I do, and it really helps me make sure I get the water. First of all I find a nice pitcher that I can put a lot of ice in and water. I also put in my water lemons, limes, cucumbers – all the stuff that’s really good when it comes to detoxifying your body. You want to stay detoxified, because you don’t want to be having anything that slows down your processes in your organs, but also your brain.

Water is very good for the brain, because it’s 90% water. When you’re dehydrated, when you’re not replenishing that water in your body, the first thing that begins to suffer is your brain. Overtime, you’re not thinking as clearly, you’re nodding off a little bit. Sometimes you get cravings for something, and you’re not even really hungry. A lot of times that’s because you’re dehydrated.

You put it in that pitcher and you fill up an 8-ounce glass of water. And you drink one 8-ounce glass of water per hour that you’re sitting there. Because many of us work more than eight hours a day as an entrepreneur. Let’s be honest – I work 12-13 hours. You’re working 12 hours and you’re drinking 8 ounces an hour, 12 hours a day. How much is that? That’s 96 ounces. You think, “I couldn’t possibly do that”, but you’d be surprised.

Drink water with your meals, drink water with your snacks, take water with you wherever you go. You’re doing yourself a favor. Not only are you helping your brain in terms of being more clear, and detoxifying yourself in terms of your liver and all the toxins that we expose ourselves to, but you’re also helping your metabolism.

Another thing that happens as entrepreneurs – we don’t get up doing exercises much. Because why? We’re focused on making our first million, doing all this other stuff and we don’t do exercises much. So you find yourself maybe finding the bulge a little bit. Water helps to flash out that fat and to speed up your metabolism. It’s a great way to keep things going when you aren’t working out as much as you might want to.

That brings me to something else that I know we, as entrepreneurs, don’t do enough of and we really need again to put ourselves on the front burner. That is we’ve got to get enough rest. Being sleep-deprived overtime will impact your business. If you find yourself sitting in front of your computer and you’re clicking here, and clicking there, and nothing is getting done, and you know your productivity isn’t where it needs to be, the reason more than likely is you’re not getting enough rest.

You need to give your brain a chance to recover it. You need to give your body a chance to shut down totally so that it can repair itself, and wake up, and serve you to the utmost when you’re refreshed.

Currently, Gerri, I have an intern in Russia – I’m up every morning at around 3:30 am. That means that I really need to be in bed by 7, 8-9 o’clock at the latest. The reason why I say I need to go to bed early is not just because of the amount of hours. You can do 8 hours of sleep and still not be rested.

The reason being is if you go to bed too late, your body clock gets off and doesn’t get into that deep sleep. If you are going to bed at 11 o’clock and sleeping until 9 o’clock, you’re still not getting that deep sleep rest, because your body gets into this deepest sleep between 1:00 and 2:30 am. And if you’re going to bed at 11:00 pm, it’s not giving it a chance to get into that deep sleep. You really want to make sure you can go to bed at 9 o’clock, get a chance to get that deep sleep and get up at 3:00, like me. And you’re rested.

You definitely want to take a look at your body clock. Figure out what works best for you and make sure that your sleeping time is including that deep time of sleep where you really need to be rested.

For those of us who have problems falling asleep because your mind is racing and all these thoughts are going on, there’s a couple of things you can do from a wellness perspective. And it’s good for your body, but it’s also good for you. I would suggest using essential oils. Lavender is fantastic. It helps you to relax. What I do is I put some 100% organic essential oils, I put it in a little spray bottle of distilled water. And I spray it on my sheets, and on my pillow at night right before my head hits the pillow.

Gerri:    I do the same thing. That is awesome.

Lynnis: And I am knocked out within 10 minutes. I’m thinking, “Oh god, it’s not working”, and next thing I know I’m out. It really does work. If you don’t like the smell – most people do like the smell of lavender, but some people don’t – you can put the lavender on the bottom of your feet. It is a very absorptive part of your body. If it is an essential therapeutic oil, you can even put a little bit of lavender underneath your tongue, put it in a cup of hot water and drink it as tea. Because organic therapeutic essential oils can be ingested. And that will knock you out also.

Another thing you want to do to try to stop those racing thoughts so that you can calm down a little bit – I think it’s a great idea to journal at night. People journal in the morning, but journaling at night, especially gratitude journal – recap your day, and write about all the things that you are thankful for. Maybe it’s the things that you accomplished, maybe it’s the things that you are thankful for in general.

There are going to be some days when we may not feel that we have accomplished everything that we set out to do, because our to-do list looks like a dictionary and has so many pages. And you maybe have only one checkoff, but you need to celebrate that particular accomplishment.

One way to do that is to write about it in the gratitude journal. Tell your creator, god, whatever you call it, how grateful you are that you are able to accomplish that task. And talk about the things that you are going to be accomplishing, that you want to accomplish as if you already have done it. Declare it prophetically, thank what I call the CSO – the Chief Spiritual Officer. That’s not my acronym, and it comes from May Mccarthy who wrote a fantastic book called “Path to Wealth: seven spiritual steps for abundance”.

One of the things she talks about is gratitude journaling. What she does basically, she writes a letter to her Chief Spiritual Officer. And in that letter, she thanks him for everything that she’s done so far, that she’s accomplished or that she is grateful for that’s happened, and she also thanks him for the things that haven’t happened yet as if they already have.

And the other idea before you’re going to sleep as you’re going through your gratitude journal is to search your mind, search for anything that has to do with unforgiveness. Give, release that unforgiveness, because unforgiveness is toxic. You don’t think as well, you don’t produce as well if you’re walking around angry, with that emotional chip on your shoulder. Work on unforgiveness.

Whoever’s face hops up in your mind – forgive them. Ask God to help you to forgive them, that you forgive whatever it is that upset you. Sometimes you’d be surprised whose face might pop up. You thought, “I resolved that.” No, I don’t think so. If it’s popped up, there’s something going on there. Release that.

These are the things that can help you to have a more productive and deeper sleep. Because you’re going to go to sleep with gratitude in your heart and forgiveness in your mind. There’s nothing better than when you wake up in the morning to be refreshed. You have this inherent joy. You’d be surprised how much better you feel when you go to bed that way.

And those are some of the tips that I would use almost automatically for every entrepreneur that work. There are so many more. That’s why I’ve decided, Gerri, to create a class that’s called “Wellness for entrepreneurs”. I have a holistic living academy that I’m putting together.

I’m going to encourage everyone to go to website and to sign up for the – there will be a caption at that point that pops up “Go get green smoothie cook book” which is fantastic and I’ll talk to you about it in a minute. Sign up for that and you’ll automatically go to my newsletters, and you’ll get an announcement when this brand-new course is announced.

This course is designed specifically for entrepreneurs. With you in mind, of the things that you need to do so that you can have clarity, and focus and creativity, energy, in the end so that you can stay result-oriented and stress-free. Because stress will make you [inaudible 17:31].

And the things I share here in these courses will definitely help you with stress reduction, will help you to improve your immune system, keep you fit and in shape so that you are not getting obese as a result of sitting down all time, and basically just keep you well.

Go to my website – it’s – and you can sign up for the green smoothie recipe book that pops up. But you also will be able to get my newsletter that will be announcing these new courses as well as a lot of neat stuff about wellness, links to my show, to my magazine “Wellness Women 40 and Beyond”. I always like to say that my magazine, Gerri, is not just for women. I always say it’s for women and all the people who love them.

Gerri:    Perfect!

Lynnis: That’s everybody. I give a lot of great tips in there for wellness and a lot of alternative methods that many haven’t ready about that can help you to get well and stay well so that you can be successful as an entrepreneur, because without your health it’s going to really difficult to optimize your entrepreneurship the way you want to.

Gerri:    Let me just mirror what you said right there and let everyone know that this is not something that you are doing to fix what’s going on right now only. Let me just think of a situation for myself specifically.

I know when I’m getting run down and your immune system is weakened. It’s like you’re perpetually sick. I don’t mean that you have a fever all the time, that you are tired all the time. You know you are carrying around a little too much weight, you’re not feeling good. Like right now I’ve been congested for a good 2-3 months.

I know that is a systemic issue that happened when my immune system started taking a dive. I was growing my business, there was a lot of stress going on. All those things can ultimately lead to perpetual sickness. If your immune system is not fighting off what’s going on in your body – the toxins and free radicals, and viruses, and everything that comes into your body to attack it, you’re going to stay sick.

Some of you may not be feeling well right now. This is going to help you – strengthening your immune system, getting some fresh air – all the things Lynnis talked about. However, it’s also going to be very preventative. I want to stress the preventative nature of this. Don’t wait until you get sick to implement this. Do it now, develop a routine.

I like, Lynnis, how you really gave very actionable small tips for people to implement in their daily lives. Now, this isn’t something you go to store for. You don’t have to do any more research. This is just practical things that you can implement into your daily routine now.

I used to work in oil and gas. The oil and gas companies and many other corporations alike will literally give a command on the computers that came through the central database that would literally tell people to get up and go take a walk. This is not new. This is not just for the entrepreneur that’s working in the house. This is for corporate. This is corporation-type stuff too. It’s not some wackadoo weird thing that Lynnis is letting you guys know that you should be doing. This is something that’s been proven. You need to stand up and take walk. If you can go outside, it is the best thing for you to do.

Then, of course the rest. I know people say, “But I can’t just go to sleep early” and “I can’t get up and be productive at 8 am. I’m going to be sleeping until 10”.  There is no set in stone amount of time, or time that you need to go to bed, or time that you need to wake up. But I’m telling that when you can get to bed earlier, and like Lynnis said, get that deep sleep in that [inaudible 21:23] that whole sleep system that takes on. That goes on in your brain to help you refresh and replenish and get ready to go the next day. You will notice a tremendous change in your brain – the way you think, your creativity.

Like Lynnis said, part of a component of being an entrepreneur is the creativity side, the innovative side. And you’re not going to have a lot of that if you’re brain is weak and tired and dehydrated. Get well, get your brain working. If nothing else, you need a sharp brain. If your arms don’t work, as long as your brain is working, you’re thinking, you’re making things happen.

This is actual, it’s really-really important. I wanted to stress the important of getting those actionable tips implemented into your daily life. You’re going to notice a huge difference for your business. And like I said, it’s preventative. Do you think you can afford time-off being sick or hospitalized, or meds that make you not feel good? No. You don’t want all that either. So make yourself well now.

Lynnis: Absolutely. I’m so glad that you mentioned that, because preventativeness is really what I’m at. Many times the people that I talk to and women that I work with get to me later than I would have liked, and we can still help. But if you can do this stuff preventatively, you will feel so much better.

Not only that. It is empowering I think to begin to take full responsibility for your health. I want people to stop the way of thinking that you’re going to go to the doctor’s office unprepared. You need to go to the doctor’s office if something is going on with you or if you are just getting your check up, with questions. Questions that let him know first of all that you’re involved in your well-being. But also questions of the judgement that you need to know because you need to understand what’s going on with your body.

It’s not about going to the doctor’s office and just lying there and saying, “Okay, take a look at me and give me a pill”. We want to get rid of that mindset. There’s many-many times those pills will cover up symptoms that really are rooted in causations that we need to know about. Knowing the causations is what can keep us from ending up with things like diabetes and fibromyalgia and arthritis and all the other chronic diseases that people are co-existing with.

And they are co-existing with medication that eventually begins to damage their kidney and liver. Next time you know you’re lying on another operating table to afford transplant for things. People are like, “Okay, I need a transplant. That’s okay.” But you know, you really don’t want to go there. Because as entrepreneurs first of all think about that cost in terms of the time it takes away from your business to go through all these things.

Most people will tell you who are transplant recipient, and others who have gone through some kind of traumatic chronic disease, that it changed their lifestyle forever. They’ll tell you that if they had to do it all over again, of course they would not be living this way. There is a compromise. You are on medication for the rest of your life. And that medication causes other symptoms. There soon are personality changes as the result. There’s a lot of things that could inevitably impact your business.

So rather than go down that road of trying to correct something after the damage has been done, which is a lot what’s your medicine is all about, let’s try a different approach. You are well now – so let’s stay well by doing these things. Because as an entrepreneur, I can tell you – take it from me, please – stress is a killer.

I know entrepreneurs who have died because of complications of stress: heart disease, high blood pressure, obesity – all these things that you hear about they are truly rooted in stress and other emotional traumas that we have not worked through. It’s important to get clear of all that. There are ways and that is what I can help you with. I talk about that in my course.

Gerri:    And that is what Lynnis does and it’s what her passion is. I’m going to encourage you guys again. She gave her website. I’m going to give it one more time. That’s At least sign up for the green smoothie recipe.

Even if you don’t want to drink a green smoothie, sign up for that, get on her mailing list and then get your notification when her course is ready. It’s imperative. It’s a no brainer for me. It’s a no brainer I’m going to be there. I have to be there. I need as much encouragement as I can get to stay consistent with my wellness.

Let me tell you – there will always be something that is more important than getting up in the morning and going to the gym, or than drinking that glass of water. You’re always going to have an excuse, so you have to make it a priority. You have to know that it has to be done. You can always make an excuse. No excuses! Put yourself on the front burner – like you said, I love that.

Lynnis: Absolutely. Yeah, put yourself on the front burner. I think sometimes we’re so far back on the back burner that when we go back to pull ourselves forward, we can’t even reach that far back. It’s just way to far back. Have you ever tried to reach for something that’s on the [inaudible 26:40] at the back of you and you’re stretching and stretching and stretching, and you can’t reach it – that’s what it sometimes feels like when it comes to trying to reach back to ourselves.

Getting that feeling you know that you are way-way off in terms of what you need to be doing to take good care of yourself – there is no honor in sacrificing your health in order to be successful.

Gerri:    Right. And why make money only to have to go get help later for something that was preventable?

Thank you so much for listening today! Lynnis, thank you so much. It’s been a real treat. And believe me, we could make a series of ten podcasts with all the information you have up in your brain and still not even tap into it. I know that you’ve got so much wealth of information to share with us. Just get started now. Just go to, go ahead and get on the list, let her give you some information. And take care of yourself for sure.

Lynnis, thank you. It’s been awesome as always. I’m hopeful we’ll have you back on pretty soon here. I’d love to do a series with you.

If you want more of that, stay tuned and watch out for Lynnis to getting on this show again. We will see you later and as always, to your success. Thank you!

Paycheck to Prosperity

Podcast Episode 004 – Gerri Chambers – Automate Your Marketing

Ep004 – Gerri Chambers – Automation 101

Hey, everyone! How’s it going today? Today we’re going to talk about what is automation and why your business is suffering without it.

Let’s face it – you’re a one-man or a one-woman operation. And you can only do so much. You cannot do everything yourself. You only have two hands, there’s only 24 hours in a day, and you need a rest for 8 hours of that. You need to fix some meals, you need to shower, you need to take care of yourself, go work out, go to the gym – all these things. That doesn’t leave a lot of time to do all of your everyday managing stuff for your business, grow your business, nurture your leads, etc.

I’m going to have a task for you at the end of this podcast. Pay attention, because this is going to be a game changer for your business and for your bottom line, and your lifestyle ultimately. We’re going to talk about four ways to leverage automation in your business.

What is automation? Automation is leveraging something that can be done without you babysitting it. That’s Gerri’s definition. Everybody knows what ‘automatic’ is – it does it, you don’t have to think about it, and you don’t have to force it. It’s the opposite of ‘manually’. Automation is a beautiful thing in your business. Everyone needs to implement some type of automation, especially with repetitive tasks, for something that doesn’t take a lot of thought to it.

There are some things that you cannot automate. There are some things that you cannot sub out and have somebody else to do. There are some things that you can’t stick in a program and run on automatic. I’m sure everybody knows some of those. One – it’s working with your clients. You can’t really sub that out unless you’ve put someone in another team, or in another specialized area of your business working with someone else. You need to work with your clients. They’ve hired you, they are paying you the money, they want to see you and hear from you. You’re going to help them.

Let’s say you have a podcast. Let’s say you have some type of online or live show, or let’s say you’re Periscoping, or you’re YouTubing, or you’re doing some other type of MP3 or audio transmission somewhere online. People want to hear from you. You can’t necessarily sub out the content that you share with people verbally and visually. Your video and your audio needs to be done from you.

That’s my personal opinion. Some people have voice-overs and people do their content for them – I’ve seen that. I don’t think that’s the best practice. I think that people want to hear from you and they want to see you. So we don’t want to automate a lot of that stuff out.

Obviously if you’re holding some type of training or if you’re doing a group coaching, or something like that, like a pre-arranged deal where you have a special person coming in to teach on a specific area that they have the expertise on, you would sub that out, and it would be fine.

Again, automation is not necessarily just something that you stick into a program and let run. When I say automation, I’m talking about a process or a system that runs by itself. We’re twofold here. You use systems and processes that run on their own whether it includes you or doesn’t include you, whether it includes someone else or a program. And then you have your programs that you use, your online tools that you use that can be automated. So we’re talking twofold here.

We’re talking about things that you really shouldn’t automate. You want to nurture your leads, you want to work with your clients, you want to do your own audio and video. Let’s talk about four ways you can leverage automation in your business.

One way is your content. That is maybe a little controversial and you may say, “What? I come out with so much great content. I’m the master of this. I’m smart. I know exactly what I’m doing in my thing.” I get you. I’m talking about let’s say specifically blogging. I know you can put great content. I know you know what you’re talking about. But may I ask you this – is there anybody else out there that also knows what they are talking about in your realm? Yeah, there is actually. There is lots of people. You’re not the only one who can put great content. Why do you feel like you have to do it all yourself? You don’t. And you might love it, and it’s fine.

But let me ask you this question – when was the last time, or the first time, someone read your blog and hired you right away and paid you money right there for your blog content? Let’s say you wrote on how to build your website. You wrote on how to build your website, you wrote this great 800 word blog – did someone call up right there and hire you and pay you money?

Chances are there may be one or two of you that did, but chances are most of the time content is used to take people on a journey to buy. Sometimes when people are reading your content they are just getting information. We’re going to talk about inbound marketing on another podcast. This is why outbound doesn’t work well, because a lot of people aren’t ready to buy from you right away. If someone’s reading your blog, they may gather some information from you, and use some information, but ultimately it’s not going to be probably one blog that is going to close that person.

My point is in saying that is that you want to spend time on things in your business that make you money, directly make you money, like nurturing your leads, closing the sales call – things like that.

Blogging. Let me just give you a couple of resources now that I’ve told you, “Hey, about your blogging – not need blogging anymore.” That may rub you the wrong way and I totally get it. I totally understand but I want you to hear me. Other people get paid to blog. Honestly, if you look at some of the other websites that you go to and gather information from and do research on – if you look at those, I can almost guarantee you, 50% of those websites are not content packed from the person who owns the company, solopreneur or not.

Those people are closing sales calls, especially people who are successful in this business. As a solopreneur, or even a small business, or sole proprietorship – whatever you want to call yourself. My market, I know is small to medium business and solopreneurs, entrepreneurial minded, wise, moving up – I know who you are and know why you listen to me. You want to know it all, you want to know the tricks, you want to know how to get big, how to really-really make an impact, how to help people, how to reach the biggest audience possible.

Here are a couple of resources. BlogMutt – this is Scott Yates’s business. I found them I guess about four years ago now. I actually blogged for them for a little while, so I know how the inside works. I also know how the outside, the client side works. You can purchase blogs. And it’s a beautiful thing, because you can go back and you can read them, and you can make sure it has your tone, your attitude. If you want to insert some of those little sayings that you have, you can do that. You just get the content.

Another company – my girl Julia McCoy – she came to me a while back for some business. She has a company called Express Writers. Once again, she’s got a great platform set up, a great business model. You can buy as many blogs as you want to. Let’s say you want three a month or once a month, or however often you want to publish content. You can buy it that way. She also has a lot of other great deals. That’s

There’s two resources right there – go check them out. Toy around with it around your mind, think about it. How much time would you free up if you don’t have to write all your content? I’m going to tell you – that’s at least two-three hours a week for me. That’s a lot of time.

Here’s another way you can use automation. This is a system, an online software system that you can use. E-mail marketing – it’s one of my passions. The ROI is so crazy-crazy on this that’s it’s a no-brainer not to do it. You can automate your list building. You can drive traffic. You build your list, and then you can automate the e-mails that are sent to people. You’re nurturing your clients. You’re sending your potential clients on that buyers journey ultimately to buy from you, become a client or a customer. This is all automated.

Think about it. You’re sending people to a landing page. Again, this is a process that you set up. You drive traffic to a landing page with an opt-in box. And you’re giving them an offer in exchange for their e-mail address, a simple process there.

That opt-in box, if they enter their e-mail into, goes into the e-mail marketing system. After they get put into that e-mail marketing system, you have an automated series that you’ve done once. You just write e-mails one time, stick them in there, somebody goes in there and they are automatically starting to get those e-mails. And this is free! This is free and automated. You don’t touch it. As long as your stuff is pretty evergreen, you don’t have to jack with it again.

Isn’t that awesome? Let me ask you this – how many of you are sending manual e-mails every time to your list? How many of you don’t have a list? That’s a different podcast. You can automate that whole thing and never touch it again. You want to keep it relevant, you want it evergreen, so that you don’t have to babysit it all the time. You don’t want to put a lot of dates stuff in there, because you don’t want to go in there and have to constantly rewrite and tweak your content or your copy within e-mail. This is all automated and moves on its own. You drive the traffic. The people get the e-mails. It is awesome!

I’m doing a 14 day challenge right now, as I’m recording this podcast. I’m teaching people how to build out their e-mail plan – step-by-step showing you exactly what you need from the tools all the way to the very end when you’re checking your analytics after you’ve driven people into this system. It covers the whole gamut.

I’m going to put that on the website as an e-mail course. Be sure and sign up for that. I’m going to show you who it is for. One – you do not have a list, and you’ve heard about this list-building thing, and it sounds cool, and you want to get into it. For those of you who have not built a list, you don’t have an e-mail marketing list, you don’t have an e-mail marketing plan, you don’t know what e-mail marketing is. Go ahead and sign up for this course when I get it out there.

Secondly, it’s for people who have either a small, or stagnant list, and want to grow it. Third, it’s for people who are tired of doing the same thing over and over again manually. I’m talking to you, I’m talking to somebody out there. You know you’re sending manual e-mails. And there is a better way I’m telling you right now. Now you’ve discovered a better way, now you go sign up for this course and you get it rocking and rolling.

Or you know what you can do? Go to, schedule some time with me, and I will hook you up. I will show you exactly for your unique business what you e-mail marketing plan needs to look like, get you set up.

Thirdly, your social media. I’m going to talk to some people today. Who is sitting there on social media day in, day out, playing with social media? Now I’m not talking about a personal social media, because that’s a waste of time anyway. I’m talking about on your business, who is setting there playing on social media?

I know you’re like me. What’s wrong with that? I met tons of people, and I’ve grown, my followers are huge. I dan people, and I meet people. It’s great for relation. Yeah, it is. It’s all that. But can somebody else do it? Yeah, a monkey can do it. Click – follow – reply – heart – retweet. You can sub that out too.

Let me tell you about not only subbing that out to someone else who can manage that for you, because there are social media management companies out there. They are going to be a little more expensive than my fourth point, which I’m going to go over in just a second.

But let me tell you about some software that will help you automate this. These are all free. The basic, which is probably usually for solopreneurs, all you need right now. One of my favorites – and this is really-really good for people who are running a campaign. Let’s say you’re leading up to a launch, you’re leading up to an event, things like that – this is really good to run for just a week or two solid. It can be overused, so just watch it. Because you do want people to know that there is a person behind the social media. You don’t want to have the same repetitive tweet out there over and over again. This is what this program does.

It’s called IFTTT – it stands for “if this then that”. What you’ll do is you go to this program and you will tell it, for instance, “At 12:15 pm every day I want you to tweet this”. And it will run indefinitely for you. This is a really great tool – again, not to be overused – but to use leading up to an event or a launch.

A couple of other “Set it and forget its” are Buffer and Hootsuite – a couple of faves. I use both. Buffer and Hootsuite – those can be used for several different accounts if you want to post or send out links on several different accounts, set it and forget it. Queue all those up at some point in a week and you can run it for the next week or two. You just queue those up and go.

I am definitely not going to sit here and list every single online program there is for automating social media, because I can tell you we’d never get off this podcast.

I know your time is valuable, so the next couple are kind of advanced tools. They are not necessary, but they are really-really good to have if you are using your social media accounts, especially Twitter. These are two Twitter tools. If you’re going to use Twitter to drive traffic to your landing page, and ultimately turn into leads, if you are using Twitter heavily, these are two you want to get.

One is called ManageFlitter. What ManageFlitter does among many-many other things is it helps you clean out your account. You can get the free version. And basically you can go in there and you can unfollow a lot of spammy people. You want to keep your ratio higher followers than following. You want more people following you than you’re following.

ManageFlitter helps you clean that up. You don’t need spammy people in  there anyway. And you don’t need people in your feed that are not following you. It helps you unfollow those people. They will never see your stuff anyway. Unfollow people who are not following you. It helps you clean it up. And it helps you to follow people who are following you and who matter. Then again, always use your social media to drive traffic.

And TweetDeck. If you have a personal account and a business account, you can have both of those accounts on one screen and tweet from both of them. Let’s say you get some really great tweets in you feed, you want to retweet them. With the click of two buttons, not having to log out of one account, log back in, you can retweet from both your personal and business account if you want to roll like that.

Another thing – and I’m stressing this – if your business is social media management, you probably don’t want to sub out a lot of your clients work. This is good for you if you manage five-six-seven-eight, however many accounts, you can have all of those accounts on that TweetDeck. You don’t have to log out, log back in to someone else’s account. It’s all right there. You can add columns. It’s really great.

The last one is going to be way out of some of your comfort zones, but it’s the most important piece I believe. I woke up to this about three years ago and I thought, “Oh my gosh! Where’s this been all my life?” – because three years ago I was ready for it. If I’m not speaking to you and you are not ready for it, and you’re still doing a lot of your own stuff, and you’re learning it, that’s great, you just start now your baby-steps, you are in the fledging business state as I call it. This may not be for you yet. But keep it in the back of your mind.

Assistants. And I’m not saying you need assistance. I’m saying an assistant, like a virtual assistant. If you’re interested in virtual assistants just right away, you’ve heard about it before, and you’re ready for it, go back and listen to the podcast that I did with Jay Hunter a VA staffer. We covered how to delegate. It was very great, pretty thorough. Anyway, that’s my partner in crime – Jay Hunter – he owns VA Staffer – This has been my lifesaver.

How you use virtual assistant, or let’s say a social media management company – it doesn’t mean it has to be a virtual assistant per say – is you have them do those things for you, so you are not doing it. Not only can you use that automation on the online tool category, because you will have some tools that you can use to automate, but you can use a person to queue that stuff up for you. Or you can have a person upload to your website the blog for you. You don’t have to do that. Anybody can do that. A monkey can do that.

Let me tell you how to use a virtual assistant, because I know that some of you are like, “Whatever, virtual assistant “I’m not going to give away any of my stuff. This is my baby”. It reminds me of a part in Ice Age, where the guy, the little animal who didn’t want to leave said, “I was born and I’m going to die here!” Fine, die there, die there in your business. It’s going to swallow you up. But for those of you who are ready for it, and you know you’re busy, and you’re ready to grow your business, and have some real cash, and really help some people – listen up.

How to use virtual assistant. If I have something I need done, and I know it’s going to take a little more than a couple of clicks, I’m going to record it on a screen as I do it with the thought in mind that I’m going to hand this off to someone. I make it real simple and I use ScreenFlow – I’m a Mac user, I have ScreenFlow. It records my screen and my audio. I put it in a nice little package, I upload it to YouTube. I give my virtual assistant team the link and somebody takes off with it. Bam – it’s off my plate.

I’m not saying completely, because you want to look in. You want to make sure things are going okay, hold people accountable. But for the most part, it’s off my plate.

So some of the things you can sub out. Number one – queueing up all of your social media. If you have a campaign going on, you could have one of your virtual assistants or assistant queue up into your IFTTT account all the things leading up to your event – all those tweets with the links in them. You can have someone manage analytics for you, run the analytics report, so you can figure out what’s working and what’s not. You can have someone check your e-mails – all this busy work you’re doing.

Remember I told you I was going to give you something at the end of this to do. You have something to do today – you’re going to see something. I’m going to tell you you’re going to “Wow” your eyes are going to open, especially after listening to this and learning how much you’re doing that you don’t have to do. Because weren’t you rather be out there nurturing your leads and upselling to your current clients than sitting out there in social media playing around, retweeting? I’m not saying I don’t go there and do that. I do. I check in.

The busy work you’re doing – let’s say checking e-mails – one of the stats I read the other day was “Especially in corporate America people get upwards of 120 e-mails a day”. That’s a lot of e-mails. I know you get quite a few e-mails. And a lot of them are on your personal e-mail address where you’ve opted in for sales information, for shoes and for all the stuff that you don’t need to be buying right now.

Number one, you can unsubscribe from a lot of those. We find ourselves opting in so that we can get a special and then we want to unsubscribe later. So yeah, get out of some of that.

But don’t you want somebody just filtered through that stuff? Help prioritize your inbox? That’s awesome. Somebody can do that. Queuing up your social media, maintain your website, uploading blogs, client inquiries. Let’s say your potential clients’ are asking questions. Let’s say they are e-mailing you. Can you not have an FAQ sheet for someone to copy and paste and send? Companies do that all the time. FAQs are great by the way. Giving FAQ page – that’s great.

What about graphics?  You’re not doing your own graphics, are you? Are you sketching out your own logos? Are you doing your own Twitter banner? Or your own Facebook banner? Forget it.

I did some gigs on Fiverr – – and they’ve upped their packages a little bit. They are not just five dollars – Fiverr. Some of the are up a little bit. But they offer a lot of value. Let’s say you need your logo redrawn. And at the end of the designing they’ll give you the vector, the png or a jpeg. And you get a lot of bang for your buck there. Your VA service, VA staffer – and I’m telling you they’ve got graphic designers, people that can upload blogs for you – just for really basic stuff. Free yourself.

This is my challenge for you and this is what I want you to do. Over the next course of the week, whether you are listening to this on Monday or Friday, go seven days – I want you to jot down, just have a running tally of all of the things you do in your business, if it’s a typical week obviously. What do you do on a typical week?

Let’s say you do 42 things. Some of those are repetitive, some of them are really awesome – landing clients, working with clients – whatever you’re doing on social media. And clock yourself. Give yourself time. “I went on social media at 9 am and I stayed till 10:15. 1.25 hours”.

At the end of that week, I want you to schedule some time with me, because I tell you right now – challenge me. Challenge me – I’m going to free up some of your time. Go to – we’re going to have a conversation, I’m going to free up some of your time. Then, guess what I’m going to do with that extra time that I’m going to show you how to free up. I’m going to help you build your next income stream. How valuable is that? Can I just ask you right now?

I feel you, because I know some of you are just starting out, and I know that some of you can’t even see beyond your learning curve right now. I get it. I was there. But when you can breathe, and dream, and focus, and get your ideas on paper, and monetize it somehow – can I just tell you?

Who wants some passive income? I’m seeing some virtual hands raised there. I love passive income. That’s something you can set up. That’s like mailbox money – my mum used to call it. Mailbox money – it just comes in based on what you already know. You don’t have to go to school, I’m not going to put you through a course. I’m not going to do all that stuff. You know something. Let me help you. But first we’re going to free up some of your time, because I know you’re in the weeds right now.

That was automation:101. We’re going to get to automation:102 sometime along the line here, so you stay tuned. In the meantime, – after you’ve gone through your seven days, start today. If you’re listening to this in the morning, start today – remember your day, however it goes. Start tomorrow morning. I want you to get seven days down and schedule some time with me. Let’s free you up and get you some more money, and make you rich farther, so you can help some more people.

It’s been great today! To your success – see you later.

Ellen Violette

Podcast Episode 002 – Ellen Violette – Writing eBooks To Promote Your Business

Ep002 – Ellen Violette – Writing eBooks To Promote Your Business

Gerri: Hey, everybody. I hope you are doing well today. I have an awesome guest with me today, someone I’ve known for over three years now, who saw me through my fledgling business days. I’ve developed a very strong business and personal relationship with her. Her name is Ellen Violette. Let me tell you a little bit about Ellen. She’s a book creation, book marketing and business coach. She’s a six time #1 best-selling author and creator of the Bestseller Business Blueprint.

Ellen is also a two-time eLit award winner, recipient of the Be The Change award and a Grammy-nominated songwriter. She creates book and business strategies using publishing and content marketing for thought leaders, coaches, independent professionals, speakers and authors. And you can learn more about her at – more about her and her business, and what she does there.

I’m excited to have her on. She’s got a load of information. I already know where we’re going with this, so you may want to get out a pen and a piece of paper and start frantically writing, because you’re going to want to utilize what she’s telling you to do.

Ellen, thanks for being on the show today! How are you doing?

Ellen: Good! I’m happy to be here.

Gerri: Awesome. Ellen has interviewed me before. And I thought, “Oh, man! It’s such a privilege to be interviewed, to be asked some questions and share your knowledge”. But now I get to ask you. It’s a privilege that you would even come on my show so I can ask you. This is awesome. Thank you so much.

Ellen: My pleasure.

Gerri: We’re going to go and dive right in. I want you to share all your knowledge. I know that this is going to blow these people away, because I know the first time I saw your webinar. It was three years ago and I got it – just before the story.

I was on Twitter, and I received a tweet – it came through my little fledgling feed – about your webinar. I think it was, “How to write a book and build your business in three days or less”. Yeah, I think – because that’s the workshop I went through. So I came in to your show just a little sweating, I didn’t even know what I would be in for. But now I know, so I want everybody to be prepared for some information. This is going to be awesome and it’s going to change the way your business runs and how you see things I’m telling you.

Firstly, I’m going to ask you – what is the difference between writing a book and writing a book to grow your business?

Ellen: When you write a book to grow your business, what you do is you think about how this is going to help your business. In other words – what you want to do in your business and how it is going to help you grow.

There are a lot of ways that you can write a book, and a lot of things that you can write about. But what you have to do is you have to think about what you want each book to do. In other words, when I tell people the first book they are going to do is to really think about how they want people to understand their business, what people need to know about their business to want to work with them.

Then down the road, you can write other books on very specific things that are in your business, or other programs that you have. You have more than one program in your business, and you’d have a book on each one of those. But that first one should be an overview of your business to get people to understand what you’re about, what your values are, where you’re going and how you can help them.

Gerri: That is awesome, because people a lot of times think, “I’m just going to write a book and tell people about me”, or “What in the world would a book do for me?” Like me – I had no idea about writing a book and I know I’m not a writer. That was not my goal. It was to get a bunch of books sold and to be rich as a writer.

Purposely this type of book is to grow your business, to build your business and get the information out there that’s there’s this awesome purpose. For those of you who do not think, “I’m no author. It’s not really my passion. It’s not what I want to do” – I totally understand and I get you. But it’s a game changer.

Let me just ask the next question for you, Ellen. What are the benefits of writing one? You’ve mentioned a few. What are some other benefits of writing a book about your business?

Ellen: The first is that 81% of people want to write a book and less than 1% ever do. It puts you in for your company and it lets people look at you in a different way. They now see you as an authority. If you’re going to have a book and somebody else shows up in your business, like a competition, and they don’t have a book, generally they are going to choose you over the other person. That’s first of all.

Second of all, it saves a lot of people ‘getting to know you’ time. Because if they can go and get your book, and they already now know something about you, and they want to take the next step, they are more prone to now want to work with you than if they’d just find your website and really don’t know anything about you. There’s that.

The other thing is – and this is something that I love – Amazon has two kinds of promotions that you can do with your books if you put in something called KDP, which you have to do in an exclusive for 90 days to do this. I love it especially for newbies – because you can get started without having a list. Because there’s all these announcements – a whole cottage industry that’s grown up around doing KDP launches.

All of those sites can drive all this traffic to your book. You start out doing it for free, but you can build a list, start to get people on your list and start to market to them, and sell to them other things. The money is in the list. As good, as fun as you like it – I happen to love it – social media is. That’s people get to know you, but then they are ready to take the next step. That’s how you can find your own subscriber list. That’s where you get the people that are going to be more of your buyers.

Gerri:    That’s perfect. The first thing that I think sold me originally and why I wrote a book is that ‘authority’ word. And like you said, it’s either you or someone who hasn’t written a book. If you’ve written a book, if you’ve taken it to #1, which by the way Ellen does, flawlessly I might add, you can say, “I have a #1 best-selling book that tells you how to whatever, or several”. I think that’s awesome.

Ellen: There are three phases to doing a book launch. Some people who come to me just want get it to #1. Other people want to get it to #1 and build the list. The other people want to do those two plus have a back end where they can make money on a back end as well. To do that though, you need to release a half. If you are not the authority, you need to have joint venture partners who already have that connection with their audience.

Gerri: You do an awesome job at that, too. Because I had no idea what a joint venture was before I met you.

Ellen: Yeah, well that was I got my business. In day one I started with joint venture. And doing my workshop, doing joint ventures, I made $13,000 in my first six weeks with my first offer. You can’t do that without joint venture partners unless you’re going to spend a lot of money on advertising. Joint venture partners are free. And it’s doing something where you have something they want, they have something you want. What you want is their list. What they want is the information that you have that they either don’t have time or don’t want to create, or don’t know how to create.

Gerri: Right. It’s funny that you mention your list, you know, I’m doing a build out your e-mail marketing plan challenge right now. I hope we will be circulating  for a long time – I’ll walk you through that now and I’m stressing that – to get people into your funnel, get people on your list, your subscriber list, whatever terminology you want to use, it’s so important to get the contact information. Basically all you are doing you are getting their e-mail address that you can continually nurture. So this is a very good lead driver. And that’s what I’m talking about.

Some people are often saying, “Write a book – that sounds overwhelming”! I was trying to imagine writing a whole book. Writing a book – there’s a lot of content that goes into that. Just in general – how long does it have to be?

Ellen: That’s one of those questions I get asked most often. The truth is it has to be as long as it takes to give the information that people are expecting to get. If you had a book that was three pages long, and people made a million dollars every time they used your book, would they care if it was three pages? I don’t think so.

But normally speaking, there is a price to page ratio. And it also depends on what your topic is. If you go to Kindle and look at different topics, you’ll see different prices for different page length within different niches. So both of those things are important – how many pages, and then what niche.

But some of these shorter books now are 30-50 pages. I think 50 pages is good for a shorter book. A lot of people are now writing one big book a year and a bunch of little short ones. Other people are just writing short ones. It really depends on what your strategy is and what you tell people they are going to get from reading your book.

Gerri: So it’s flexible. Not only the length of it, but how would someone even go about getting started at something that is seemingly overwhelming?

Ellen: That’s why my business is now called the Bestseller Business Blueprint, because to me there really is a chronology, and you should do it in order. To me, the first step is doing what I call my marketing and feasibility study. The reason for that is twofold. A lot of people write the book, and then they start thinking about marketing. That is wrong.

What happens is – I had one woman come to me. She spent $20,000 on a book that was useless, because it didn’t connect with a market. Everything had to be redone. Sometimes people come to me when they are in the middle of the book. I had someone come to me and she was writing a book about being fearless and we went and did the study and people weren’t buying books about being fearless. They were buying books about being fearful and having anxiety and how to get over it.

You’ve got to find the right words and the right concept that people are looking for. You have to meet them where they are. Some people say, “What I’m teaching is so great that I have to educate about something new”. When you have to educate people, it takes a lot more money to do that, a lot more advertising, a lot more work on your part.

Secondly, sometimes you can’t bring people to where you are. You have to bring you to where they are. That’s really the key. When you do the marketing and feasibility study, you look at Google AdWords – what words are getting clicked. Then we take that and go over to Kindle and now look at what pages you want to show up on, because there are pages that have tons and tons of books, and others that don’t.

I was working with one client who was a fiction writer. It was on China. And we went to one page that was just China. And I think it was 2.3 million books. I thought, “Oh my God, I never had anything close to that. How the hell am I going to get him to #1?” By listening to him and hearing exactly what the book was about, picking the right categories and doing the launch, we were #1 within an hour.

I went to the market thinking, “Oh my God, how am I going to do this?” I came back – we’ve already got it.

That just shows you it’s being in the right categories with the right keywords. If you don’t know what those are, then you may not have them in your title, you may not have them in your subtitle. And for now, you’re writing your book in the dark. And I highly recommend that people don’t do that.

Gerri: That’s right. Nobody’s got time for all that. It is just so wasteful. Doing that upfront first is so important. It’s something that I’ve learned many years ago. And if you don’t have someone to tell you this and walk you through the process, you are in for a disappointment then. Yeah, it could be really bad. Just do the stuff you need to do upfront. Very wise.

People are thinking – I thought this from the beginning –we go to the library, we go to Barnes & Noble, we go to stores and we get a physical book, now you have Amazon, Kindle – and all these other platforms. What do you say – physical book or e-book?

Ellen: I’d say it depends on your budget and also on your book. It’s always nice to have both, but if you don’t have the budget, then you want to start with Kindle. It’s a lot less expensive. Because when we do Kindle, we just do the cover and then we format the book. When you do a physical book, you’ve got to do a front cover, a back cover and then inside design as well. That does add up.

Then – how many books are you going to get? There is publishing on demand – you don’t have to buy a bunch of books. But for example, I’m working with somebody right now – we’re doing a proposal. And she’s writing a recipe book. She’s thinking, “I want to do 250 books.” I just went into IngramSpark and put it in a test case of what it might come up to. And it was $4,000. Just for the books, because she wants 250 of them.

Another way to go is – if you do not have the cash to do that – you could definitely just take a flyer, a sheet when you are speaking live, and go and give people the sheet and say, “This is where you can find the book on your computer or your smartphone”, and just give them a link. Then they can get it right there. It’s impressive to be able to be in a room and be able to hand out books, but even when you are in that kind of situation when you’re networking, you hand out books, you want to be selective when you’re doing it, because this has cost you money. Whereas once you create a Kindle book, it doesn’t cost you anything.

There is still more prestige in physical book. But for self-publishing authors actually self-publishing is doing better. E-books are selling more for self-published authors than from publishers of authors. They don’t really know how to sell them properly.

Gerri: You know, for our market too – I have the actual physical book, but because we’re on the run and because we have our laptops in front of us every time, and we have our smartphones, it is so easy to access an e-book. I mean, that’s all we have around here now. If we are going to read something it’s going to go down our Kindle.

Ellen: Another way to get started – and this is how I started. I started with a collaborative book. The first book I was in I wrote two pages. I didn’t write the book. I didn’t know how to do anything, and I just gave my story. And I worked with people who knew what they were doing they got the book to #1. But in those days, we didn’t have self-publishing, we didn’t have POD. I had to buy part of books and a portion is still sitting in my storage unit. Now I give them away just as extra bonuses to people.

So there is another way to go. If it is completely overwhelming to you, and if you want somebody to walk you through, we’re doing collaborative books where we are also teaching people marketing as they write their book. They are learning some of the pieces without being #1, about the whole process.

But that’s not the same thing. If you’re trying to get a book out there that’s on your particular business and you want to do your own book, unless somebody is doing a collaborative book on a topic that’s connected to your business in some way. Then it is certainly something to look at.

Gerri: Like a JV but for a book.

Ellen: Yeah.

Gerri: That’s great. I love that.

You talked about cost. And obviously it would be a little less of entry cost for an e-book over a physical book, but let me ask you this – let’s say, I know how much it’s going to cost you to get into it. How much money could someone potentially make?

Ellen: This is my least favorite question, because it really depends on how you’re using it and how diligent you are. For instance, if you’re going to networking meetings and you’re handing out books, and you get a client, and your starting price is 500 dollars for a consultation or whatever – let’s say it’s even a 100 dollars. You’re just getting started. What’s that worth to you? Then you can work backwards – how many of those do I need before I’m making money, and how much money do I want to make?

Also on Amazon, having one book is great. Having more books is better. If you are just looking to sell books passively, then it takes some books, and it also takes consistent marketing. As I said before, if you do what I call my Platinum Deluxe Package package, where we do about seller, and we do building the list, and we do a pack, I think people make as much as $30,000 on an event. It runs from 0 to $30,000 at the top end. It just depends. There is no answer.

What I was going to say though – if people understand that the long-term value of a book, like what you were saying earlier, is huge. If you’re really serious about this, you can’t look at it and say, “I’m spending this right now – I better get this back in 10 days”. Even if someone says, “I’m the best-selling author,” and somebody else is saying, “Ellen is a 6-time author”. Which one sounds better?

Again, the more you build on what you have the more credibility you get, the more money you’re going to make. It’s a process. It’s not like one book – I’m rich – that’s it. Every once in a while that happens – that woman who wrote ’50 Shades of Grey’ or Rich Dad, Poor Dad. But even Kiyosaki didn’t think it was any big deal. It was really somebody who worked with him who he said, “This is a gold mine. We have to do this”. And it was she actually who went on and marketed it and got it out there for him.

It’s all in how you look at it. If your goal is to just make passive income, you can make quite a bit. When people start doing series of books and have lots of books out there – the goal of that one is to try to get it to where that covers your nut, and you never have to worry about your debt again. Now everything else is gravy. So it depends on your strategy and how you approach it.

Gerri: And point being there are different strategies. Not knowing and going into it blind, not really knowing your plan or why you are doing it – the planning and the knowledge of the strategy and the e-book market, how you market it – it so important to get all of that done upfront. Otherwise you’re doing it for nothing. It can be such a powerful lead generator, authority builder, all those things if you use it right.

Reading into now, you’ve done all that, people are in, they listen and they are like, “Yeah, I can totally see this.” How would you market it now?

Ellen: I have a two-step approach as I said. One – is doing the bestseller launch. Two – is a 30-day or 31-day marketing plan. Then what I do when people go to my programs is I tell them what to do each day and I hope that they don’t spend more than 15-30 minutes a day doing it. It’s how that was set up. Then what they do is they track the process, so that they are seeing which things that they are doing are working, or which things aren’t. Then they keep adjusting the plan so it just gets better and better and more efficient than last time. Then of course also what happens is that new strategies come in. Then we add new strategies.

For instance, I was doing one that had to do with boosting your Fan Page Posts. Literally, the day after I finished it they changed their boosting on Facebook. Oh my God! I had to go back and re-do it. I’ve just finished it and on the very next day. And right then this great piece of software came out. So now we’re combining doing Facebook Live with the Fan Page of the boosting it all up.

Things do change. You have to stay up on it. That’s my job. I do that and people get the new stuff as it comes out.

Gerri: You want to do it by your sales people.

Ellen: You don’t want to do it by yourself. Because it is really a lot and you don’t have time to do the testing and all that. You want to stay in your lane and learn from the people who are in that lane.

But the other thing is if you’re networking, that’s another piece you can add when you go into your network event. You can give your books there. You can go and do live book events in bookstores. You can take your book to libraries. There are lots of different things that you can do.

My expertise is more in the online stuff. Because I wanted to stay at home – I have an older husband who’s not that well. And I’m getting older myself. I just got burned out on networking all the time. You reach a part where you want more passive income, you don’t want to do as many workshops, product launches. After doing this for years there comes a time when I don’t want to do another one of these.

Again, it depends on your strategy, depends where you are in your business cycle, it may depend on your age, whether you are even online/offline. And I’m really just a hybid. I do go to networking meetings because it’s what I really like, but I don’t go as often as I used to. And I became very selective about which ones I go to, because some of them they didn’t have a clue.

But also you have to realize that when I started, not everyone had a website. It was pretty new – 2004. Now it’s much easier for me to go to networking meetings and actually get something out of them. Also conferences are great. People who go to conferences generally have more money or are more serious.

Again, it depends on what your topic is and what your strategy is.

Gerri: And it seems like there’s a lot of opportunity out there depends on, like you said, how much you want to have for how much you want to get it out there, how much it’s important to you for a marketing tool. If you’re building this thing, you spend the hours and the money to put into it, or are you going to use it as a marketing tool, or how far are you going to go.

Ellen: Exactly.

Gerri: It can be great. Absolutely. I see that.

Once again, I feel like I’ve been through your workshop. So much information. Thank you so much for telling all that to us. I hope everybody took notes. For the ones who did not take notes, where can people find you if they have more questions or if they want to just work with you right now, where can they go and how can they get a hold of you?

Ellen: They can either send an e-mail to, or they can call the office at 818-970-6132.

Gerri: Awesome. I hope you enjoyed the show. We’re going to continue to talk about things that you can use to help market your business. There is more to come on the next episode. I’m hoping we’re going to go a little more into some strategies. We’ve talked about tools. This a tool with strategy. And we’re going to keep getting deeper into strategies and things you guys can use to boost your business online.

I appreciate it, again, Ellen. Thanks everyone for attending!

Ellen: Thank you! Thanks for having me. Bye-bye everybody.

Gerri: No problem. Bye!

Paycheck to Prosperity

Podcast Episode 001 – Gerri Chambers – Email Marketing

Ep001 – Gerri Chambers – Email Marketing

Hey there! Today we’re going to talk about a killer e-mail marketing campaign, or if you want to call it ‘an e-mail marketing process’. These are the steps you’ll go through so that you can build an e-mail marketing process or plan out and then you are started on automation, going to be started on automatic and let it run by itself and keep those people funneling through. This is going to be part of your sales funnel process.

In very basic terms, your sales funnel is the path through which you take people on to get to your ultimate offer, whatever your ultimate offer is. It will take some planning on your part. Hopefully, you already have that figured out. If not, this episode will not explain that. This is just going to explain how to get your e-mail marketing and use those e-mail marketing tools and programs to set up that process that will take people further through that sales funnel for you.

This is a great tool to use. E-mail marketing, the tools that are online that you’ll use and then this process – if you follow what I tell you to do, you’ll drive people through that e-mail process and you’ll really drive them further into your sales funnel.

This is for you if you already have an online presence. If you already have some social media accounts set up, or you even have your website set up already, this is for you. You have an established product or service for sale – so you already have something that is a viable service or a product for your market. Maybe you’re struggling with time-management and you’re struggling with reaching your sales goals – this is going to be a really great tool and process for you to implement. You want to be able to automate a stream of income for yourself so that you can work at other aspects of your business.

Again, one of the things that I’m really-really sold up for is automation. This e-mail marketing process that I’m going to take you through and show you how to do is going to be automatable. You can automate it. That’s a word I’ve just made up – automatable. I love it.

What we’re going to go through today – I’m going to do five steps. We’ll just stay on track here with five steps. One – I want to show you how to give something away for free in exchange for their e-mail address. This is the very first step. You need to start getting those e-mail addresses to begin building your list.

Then you’re going to segment those lists so you know how and when to sell to them. You’re going to create an automated follow-up series. You want to keep them engaged. I’ll show you how to offer a value-packed item for a low cost for your first sale. You’re going to break their barrier. You’re going to go ahead and ask for a little bit of money while you earn their trust and give them what they need. Then you’re going to set up the next high-priced item, again driving them further in your funnel.

Really quickly, I’m going to give you some stats. I’m going to get through these quickly. I’m a statistical person. I like to see stats. I like to know why this is important and why I need to listen to you or why you need to listen to me. Let me show you.

E-mail marketing has a return of investment of 4,300%. It is cheap to send an e-mail. Your return is as much as you’re going to charge for your product or service. 66% of consumers have made a purchase online as a result of an e-mail marketing message. That’s huge! Think about your inbox. Think about the companies whom you’ve given your e-mail address to. When they send you something, you’re more likely to buy from them than you are searching around the internet and just hitting a site called for something. This is really powerful. You gain their trust and that loyalty, and that brain recognition.

74% of consumers prefer to receive commercial communications via e-mail. They’ve already told you, “Yeah, I’m going to give you my e-mail address. Send me the stuff.” This is really powerful. Again, they’ve already given you permission and the laws tell you that you need to explicitly ask for very clear ‘agreeance’ from them, permission from them to receive communication from you. So it is welcomed as long as you keep giving them what they want.

91% of consumers check their e-mail daily. We’re going to get more into this and why that’s important. But if 91% of people are checking their e-mail, the chance of your e-mail getting read is much higher than if you were to blast something out on social media, because it gets caught up in a lot of noise out there.

It is really powerful when you can send an e-mail on the fly to your list. When you begin building your list, or let’s say you have a list already and you want to grow it and keep it going, then it’s powerful when you have a new product or service you’re launching, you have basically an audience ready to receive information from you. It’s very powerful. It’s also a component of inbound marketing.

I’m not going to go into in-bound marketing today, but it’s basically a way for you to put information out there, whether it’s on social media or in your e-mail, and you have people coming to you. It’s very different from what outbound marketing is, which is like cold calling. I don’t know the last phone call you received, but I still from time to time receive phone calls from people I don’t recognize. I’m not going to pick up the phone. That’s very ineffective today.

And it’s simple to duplicate and to automate. This is a really big deal. It’s going to free up some time. And it’s cheap to set something on automation. Then you can leverage the time and tell someone else to execute it for you. Do it one time and teach somebody else to do it. That’s awesome.

Let’s run through the five now. Let’s give away something for free in exchange for their e-mail address. Once you know who your target market is – or you can call it your buyer persona or your avatar, different names for that – that’s who you want to work with, that’s who you’re speaking to and who you want to attract as a client, then you can give them something they want.

In my business, I am my target market. I have walked miles in those shoes. I know exactly what people need to know and want to know. And I know even before they know.

Then create a downloadable report. Now you’re giving something in exchange or saying, “I want to give you something of value, because I know that you’re giving me something valuable.” That’s the e-mail address.

Now it’s almost like getting somebody’s phone number or somebody’s personal information. You need to give them something really valuable so that they will give up their contact information to you. That can be anything that your market wants. It can be a checklist. “Hey, do you have these 10 components on your website so that it converts properly?” It can be a ‘how to’ – “Let me show you how to set this up or how to do this”.

It can be a test – I’ve used those. As a matter of fact, the one I use on my website is “Do you have what it takes to be entrepreneur?” This is a really good lead magnet for me, because people that are entering into this internet space, this online marketing space, want to know that. If I’m lacking something, how do I mitigate that, how do I learn that?

It should be something you already know. You don’t have to overthink it. Then obviously, they need to give you their e-mail address, so they have to opt in to get it. It’s called opt in. The tools you need are basic stuff: you need the website, you need the e-mail marketing program. I have used several right now. I use Active Campaign. It’s a kind of a full-blown CRM system. They’ve got Mailchimp and AWeber. You can use whatever program you’re comfortable with and whatever your budget is, you decide.

Then you need that downloadable product. Whatever that is, if it’s a PDF or if it’s an online form, or something you’re sending people, you need to set that up. Then you want to know what your call to action is. Do you want them to download it? Do you want them to take the test? Make that clear. Have that plan for where you’re taking them. Make it relevant. Then you can offer them the next thing. We’ll talk about that in a minute.

The second thing is making segmented list, so you know how and when to sell to those people. This is actually part of inbound marketing process. You’re taking these people through buyer’s journey. The people that hit your website today may not be ready to give up their money. You need to meet those people where they are. I haven’t been out there in all of them, but the e-mail marketing programs out there automate this process for you.

Once you’ve set it up, it will automate. Let’s say for example there’s two different reasons you may want to have different lists within your e-mail marketing program. One, let’s say is you’re split testing two different landing pages, and you want to test two different lead magnets, or offers, or free downloadable products. Let’s say one page you have a test that you want people to take, and the other page you have a downloadable tips sheet.

As you are testing these, you want to send those people to different lists. For your downloadable tips sheet, you may want to put them on what’s called the tips sheet list. For the other that you are giving the test to, you put them on a test list. The reason you want to do this is because you want to know what those people took. Because if they took it, then they may be interested in more of that type of thing, so you may market to those people differently.

Your next e-mail to the tests people may be, “Hey, were your results this?” And then you can help them along the way. To your tips people you can say, “Hey, did you check out the tips? Are you using it okay? If not, if you are having trouble, here’s another one.” Do you see how it works there?

Another one will allow you to change the list people are on by their call to action reaction. In the e-mail that you send to these people, you can say, “If you like more information, click here.” When they click, your e-mail marketing program after you set this up is going to, automatically take them off their existing list, or say they stay, and it will put them on another list, because they took another option.

This can get really detailed. I’m just going to give you just those two basic ones. This allows you to stay hyper-focused with your people, so you are not sending them a bunch of stuff that they don’t need. This is extremely powerful. Use the segmentation.

Three, we’re going to create automated follow-up series to keep those people engaged. Strike while the iron is hot. They took your offer yesterday. Don’t you think if they don’t hear from you for a month or ever, that they are going to continue to seek you out? I’m going to tell you – no. Even if you gave them what they wanted. Let me just tell you the reason why – there is so much competition out there. If they found you, there are going to find someone else as well. If you don’t keep them engaged, they are going to move on. You don’t want to lose those people.

What you want to do is create what I call an automated follow-up series. It’s actually what I think the e-mail programs call to – it’s a follow up. You want to queue up about three. There’s science as to why you need seven. The landscape on the internet has changed just a little bit, so three I think is plenty to fill people out. You can send more a month later.

There’s also statistics that show you how many e-mails would people want to receive, and when they start to drop off, and become less engaged, and see you as a nuisance. You’ll have to play around with all this. It’s target-market specific, and you want to know what times to send. There’s all this stuff too, but basically send three automated e-mails to them.

Change up a little bit to give some of them informational, maybe a little story or a testimony. Offer different things. Maybe in the first you want to say, “If you want to grab some info, look here.” Maybe on your second when you want to be a little bit more aggressive – “Why don’t you get on a phone with me for a counsel?” And then on the third one, maybe you want to do a hard sell. That’s just to keep people engaged.

Four, offer a value-packed item for a low cost for your first sale. Once you’ve given them the e-males, they are taking your downloadable tips sheets or the tests, and they’ve done that, so you’ve broken the ice basically, now you want to see how interested they are in actually laying down some money and paying for your services or product.

Go ahead and offer that in your third follow-up e-mail. Or maybe you let those three e-mails go with other calls to action. And then you send out an e-mail two weeks later, or a week later, and say, “I’ve got this webinar coming up”, and maybe you charge 7$ for that or something. I’d say to try to keep the price point lower, because these people still may have a little bit of a barrier, and they are just learning about you.

I tell people sometimes too, another strategy to use to offer a no commitment offer – maybe they can still come in free to a live event, or a phone consult. Again, it’s got to be a value-packed – you are loaded up with great stuff for them. Then you offer an upsell. It can be one of your higher price things. It’s got to be killer, though. It’s got to be really-really great.

We’ve gone through those four tips. Five, you want to set up the next high-priced item for your buyers to buy again. Let me tell you – once they’ve bought something from you, that puts them into a completely different category. They are now buyers. We love our buyers, because they have seen value in what you have to offer them.

And it is clear now, if they are going to put money down, it is clear that you are giving them what they want. That is awesome, an awesome confirmation for what you offering your potential clients and your clients. It is so satisfying when someone wants to purchase something from you, whether it’s your consultation or an actual product.

They have shown commitment now. What you do with your buyers is you are going to reach into the depths of your sole and you’re going to get the best of what you have, because now you really-really want to treat these people awesome. They are committed, they are ready to go. Some people that don’t buy are not quite committed, and they may not be ready for the heavier stuff. Save your heavier stuff – like I’m going to get on the phone one-on-one and coach them through this entire process – save that for your buyers. Those are the people that have really shown commitment.

I’m not saying don’t offer help to those people who can’t afford, or it’s not in their budget right now, but definitely this is what you want to start thinking about and this is a different strategy. I won’t get too into this. But this is what you want to start offering your – what I call your further down the funnel offers – your premium packages, your six-week coaching things, the electronic product, the teaching product – whatever it is – workbooks, e-book series – you’ll want that more premium.

You don’t have to take them straight there. Let’s say you do an 8-week coaching program and your price is 10 grand. You may not want to take them straight there. If you do, you want to give them a little bit of a down sell, you want to give them an alternate. They may not be ready to go all in like that. That’s a little bit different, and I am going to talk about stuff like that, about what you offer for your premium, and what is the best way to leverage your time and things like that.

Today, it’s your e-mail process. What are you doing? You’re leading people further and further into your funnel. And this fifth way is giving you a way in lower down into your funnel and the higher price more premium offer.

We’ll go through this again. What you learned today was how to give away something for free in exchange for their e-mail address. Make your list segmented. Segment you lists, make different lists. Create your three follow-up series. That’s automated. Offer a value-packed no-brainer for your first sale. That’s your low-price entry. Then set up your next high-priced item. Listen, you’ll stop there – you do it again, and again, and again. As you have all of this set up now, you’re just feeding people to your free item, whatever that is. You can change it up. And that’s a beautiful thing too. These e-mail marketing products, these tools that you use online – you can set up as many as you want. You can set up as many three e-mail series as you want.

Another is a little bit of a scaling of pricing when you have so many contacts. When you start building your list, and you get into the hundreds and thousands, your price for e-mail product might go up, or your e-mail marketing tool may go up. But you can have 10 different landing pages, you can have 10 different lists, and you know you can have your lists segmented. All ultimately going to your premium offers.

That was a lot of information – I hope you took notes. I’ve got the show notes. Go through that, make sure you’ve got everything you need, get this thing going and it is going to change your business. If you’re not doing this, there’s a problem. I’m telling you right now. You are missing out. You are wearing yourself down.

On the next episode, I’m going to lay out exactly what you need in your e-mail to get them opened and to get clicks on your calls to action. Stay tuned. As always, I wish you much success.